Comments on: The Work of the Holy Spirit in Infilling. Part 2 of 2. Is The Holy Spirit Real? http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/ {blog of adam} Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:55:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: claim insurance http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-4246 claim insurance Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:11:50 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-4246 I have been searching for this information and finally found it. Thanks! I have been searching for this information and finally found it. Thanks!

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]]> By: joe http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-467 joe Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:38:09 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-467 I think the comparisons to the baptism are what is confusing me. I'm having a hard time understanding each function independently when it is explained, partly, in light of it's relationship to the baptism. Thanks for the history. It helps. But, I'm still curious what 1 Corinthians 3:1 has to do with victory over carnality. Oh, and I don't struggle with a sinful nature...I'm incredibly holy and perfect. Haven't you people learned that yet? Oh crap...that's pride. Nevermind, I struggle with sin. :D I think the comparisons to the baptism are what is confusing me. I’m having a hard time understanding each function independently when it is explained, partly, in light of it’s relationship to the baptism. Thanks for the history. It helps.

But, I’m still curious what 1 Corinthians 3:1 has to do with victory over carnality.

Oh, and I don’t struggle with a sinful nature…I’m incredibly holy and perfect. Haven’t you people learned that yet? Oh crap…that’s pride. Nevermind, I struggle with sin. :D

]]> By: Adam http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Adam Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:31:16 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-466 Infilling is something that happens naturally after the Holy Spirit regenerates us? I don't think so. We don't automatically have Christian Character when we receive Christ. At least I don't. I move <i>away</i> from ungodliness, but I still struggle with a sinful nature, as do you (unless you're not human... but I'm pretty sure you aren't a robot). ;) The infilling is the idea that the Holy Spirit helps us live with Christian Character. This is not a charismatic distinctive, but when Dr. Paino wrote this book, he was writing when there was a great deal of misunderstanding among Pentecostals thinking they were the only ones who had the Holy Spirit. So because of that, Dr. Paino compares many things with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the purpose of comparison. That's probably not the best approach to teaching from the ground up, but I don't think the majority of people reading this need teaching on this subject from the ground up. Plus, its alot faster and better than anything I'd come up with. Regeneration and Infilling of the Holy Spirit are not charismatic or pentecostal distinctives. Non-charismatic groups believe them as well. You may be getting confused in the comparisons with the Baptism that Dr. Paino discussed in the book here, but understand why he did it. Infilling is something that happens naturally after the Holy Spirit regenerates us? I don’t think so. We don’t automatically have Christian Character when we receive Christ. At least I don’t. I move away from ungodliness, but I still struggle with a sinful nature, as do you (unless you’re not human… but I’m pretty sure you aren’t a robot). ;)

The infilling is the idea that the Holy Spirit helps us live with Christian Character. This is not a charismatic distinctive, but when Dr. Paino wrote this book, he was writing when there was a great deal of misunderstanding among Pentecostals thinking they were the only ones who had the Holy Spirit. So because of that, Dr. Paino compares many things with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the purpose of comparison. That’s probably not the best approach to teaching from the ground up, but I don’t think the majority of people reading this need teaching on this subject from the ground up. Plus, its alot faster and better than anything I’d come up with.

Regeneration and Infilling of the Holy Spirit are not charismatic or pentecostal distinctives. Non-charismatic groups believe them as well. You may be getting confused in the comparisons with the Baptism that Dr. Paino discussed in the book here, but understand why he did it.

]]> By: joe http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-465 joe Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:58:09 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-465 I guess I am looking at the semantics a little bit, but I don't want to regurgitate what you are telling me. I want to understand it on my own, and if it doesn't make sense, if I can't arrive at this understanding, then I will start to analyze the semantics and try to understand the underlying thought pattern that leads to the overall idea. I'll try to be patient... I do have another question, though. I really don't understand what 1 Corinthians 3:1 has to do with being victorious over carnality. I've read the chapter a few times, and I don't immediately see how it fits. Also, as I understand it, Paul's first letter to the Corinthians was to deal with some pretty major problems, problems that should have been apparently have been dealt with through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Isn't infilling something that happens naturally after the Holy Spirit regenerates us? Or did I miss something? Sorry for all the questions, but I have a TON of questions about this. I spend time with a lot of cessanionist and non-charismatic christians. I also see all kinds of crazy things that happen in charismatic circles, like walking on coals and playing with snakes. I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and spiritual gifts, but I want to have a balanced view. Thus, the questions. I guess I am looking at the semantics a little bit, but I don’t want to regurgitate what you are telling me. I want to understand it on my own, and if it doesn’t make sense, if I can’t arrive at this understanding, then I will start to analyze the semantics and try to understand the underlying thought pattern that leads to the overall idea. I’ll try to be patient…

I do have another question, though. I really don’t understand what 1 Corinthians 3:1 has to do with being victorious over carnality. I’ve read the chapter a few times, and I don’t immediately see how it fits.

Also, as I understand it, Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians was to deal with some pretty major problems, problems that should have been apparently have been dealt with through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Isn’t infilling something that happens naturally after the Holy Spirit regenerates us? Or did I miss something?

Sorry for all the questions, but I have a TON of questions about this. I spend time with a lot of cessanionist and non-charismatic christians. I also see all kinds of crazy things that happen in charismatic circles, like walking on coals and playing with snakes. I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and spiritual gifts, but I want to have a balanced view. Thus, the questions.

]]> By: Adam http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-464 Adam Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:51:32 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-464 @ Joe: Is there a relation between them? Yes, I suppose. Are they interdependent? No. One does not depend on the other. This was discussed in Part 1. I think you're getting caught up in semantics. Focus on the ideas. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a one-time occurance that has eternal repercussions (that's ALL the farther I'm going on that one until the posts on the Holy Spirit's role of Baptsm). The infilling of the Holy Spirit is the idea that all Christians need the Holy Spirit to fill them up to produce Godly Christian character. Think of it as you want, but Dr. Paino's book and I are calling this the "infilling." The infilling of the Holy Spirit yields the fruit of the Spirit. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit yields the spirituals. But again, that's all the farther I'm going on the baptism. I don't want to steal my own thunder on the upcoming blogs on the Holy Spirit's role in baptism. Let's recap the main ideas so far in this blog series (notice that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not one of the main ideas): 1) The Holy Spirit REGENERATES our dead spirit so that we may be saved. 2) The Holy Spirit INFILLS us so that we might have Godly Christian Character. @ Joe: Is there a relation between them? Yes, I suppose. Are they interdependent? No. One does not depend on the other. This was discussed in Part 1.

I think you’re getting caught up in semantics. Focus on the ideas. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a one-time occurance that has eternal repercussions (that’s ALL the farther I’m going on that one until the posts on the Holy Spirit’s role of Baptsm). The infilling of the Holy Spirit is the idea that all Christians need the Holy Spirit to fill them up to produce Godly Christian character. Think of it as you want, but Dr. Paino’s book and I are calling this the “infilling.” The infilling of the Holy Spirit yields the fruit of the Spirit. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit yields the spirituals. But again, that’s all the farther I’m going on the baptism. I don’t want to steal my own thunder on the upcoming blogs on the Holy Spirit’s role in baptism.

Let’s recap the main ideas so far in this blog series (notice that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not one of the main ideas):
1) The Holy Spirit REGENERATES our dead spirit so that we may be saved.
2) The Holy Spirit INFILLS us so that we might have Godly Christian Character.

]]> By: joe http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/comment-page-1/#comment-463 joe Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:00:15 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/01/23/the-work-of-the-holy-spirit-in-infilling-part-2-of-2-is-the-holy-spirit-real/#comment-463 OK, help me understand. You mention both the <i>baptism</i> and the <i>infilling</i> of the Holy Spirit. While I understand the intrinsic differences, I don't understand their interdependency. Is there an interdependency? Is the baptism in the Holy Spirit a prerequisite for the infilling? Or is the infilling something that can happen on it's own without the baptism? To follow a logical thought progression: There is only "one spiritual baptism". "There are many infillings". If I am able to be infilled without the baptism, then why do I need the baptism? For the glorious experience? Shouldn't I be having glorious experiences become the norm the more I pursue the infilling? OK, help me understand. You mention both the baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

While I understand the intrinsic differences, I don’t understand their interdependency. Is there an interdependency? Is the baptism in the Holy Spirit a prerequisite for the infilling? Or is the infilling something that can happen on it’s own without the baptism?

To follow a logical thought progression: There is only “one spiritual baptism”. “There are many infillings”. If I am able to be infilled without the baptism, then why do I need the baptism? For the glorious experience? Shouldn’t I be having glorious experiences become the norm the more I pursue the infilling?

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