It’s not a matter of raising numbers in a particular building’s Sunday service…it’s bringing people into the Body of Christ.

Correct me if I’m not on the same track as you, Adam.

Are two churches that have very different philosophies/theology still a part of the universal church? Or is one left out? Who makes the call to determine who is and who isn’t a part of the universal church?

What if one church’s honest method involves techniques that draw people from other churches? Is this church growth? Is it bad, or wrong? Is it good? What if that same church’s techniques never draw anyone who does not have a connection with Christ, instead only drawing people who already do? Is that good, bad, or indifferent?

Furthermore, and more importantly, why are you for church growth? I’ve heard a lot of people give a lot of reasons why they are for church growth, and very rarely do any two people have the same reasons. Are all these people ultimately on different missions? If so, which mission am I supposed to be on? Who should I line up with?

I desperately want to agree with you, but I need more information to find out if I’m actually agreeing, or just appearing to agree with what I think you are saying.