Comments on: Code of Honor. http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/ {blog of adam} Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:55:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Eliora http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-4141 Eliora Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:09:50 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-4141 People should read this. People should read this.

]]> By: Tara Lilly http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2419 Tara Lilly Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:10:30 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2419 @ Adam- Do you think they really try to enforce this? Or do you think it's truly an honor system where if you sign it you enforce yourself and the leadership never gets involved? If it is enforced by the leader, how? Take for instance our worship team. I have personally never run into you out in public, probably by coincidence, because we just haven't ever been at the same place at the same time. So how would you know if I "broke a rule" if we had such a pledge? Would it lead to gossip (Hey Adam, I saw so-and-so in line at the gas station buying lottery tickets and that violates the no gambling rule, what are you going to do about it?) I'm not answering my own questions yet, I'd like to get your response and others if they are so inclined. @ Adam-
Do you think they really try to enforce this? Or do you think it’s truly an honor system where if you sign it you enforce yourself and the leadership never gets involved? If it is enforced by the leader, how? Take for instance our worship team. I have personally never run into you out in public, probably by coincidence, because we just haven’t ever been at the same place at the same time. So how would you know if I “broke a rule” if we had such a pledge? Would it lead to gossip (Hey Adam, I saw so-and-so in line at the gas station buying lottery tickets and that violates the no gambling rule, what are you going to do about it?) I’m not answering my own questions yet, I’d like to get your response and others if they are so inclined.

]]> By: Abby http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2389 Abby Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:49:18 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2389 Hmm...perhaps it should be for all volunteers in any ministry. Whether we're leading worship, teaching children, or cleaning toilets, our purpose is to represent the Lord and lead other people to Him. But I guess without a kick-in-the rear from a "Code of Honor" such as this, volunteers in other ministries aren't reminded of how important standards are for everyone. Hmm…perhaps it should be for all volunteers in any ministry. Whether we’re leading worship, teaching children, or cleaning toilets, our purpose is to represent the Lord and lead other people to Him.

But I guess without a kick-in-the rear from a “Code of Honor” such as this, volunteers in other ministries aren’t reminded of how important standards are for everyone.

]]> By: Adam http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2382 Adam Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:53:07 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2382 Maybe its just a leader issue, but I doubt it. I think they've got the right idea - a worship team member should be held to the highest standard! Nehemiah 10:28-29 And I once read, “Worship leaders have a responsibility to keep themselves in a position that is set apart for the purpose of leading people into the presence of a Holy God. We should not take this lightly. If we made this area a fundamental priority, I believe we would see God move more powerfully and more often in our churches today.” -Joe Pace Leading worship is not just another ministry in the church - it is a ministry where the sole purpose is the help others experience God and develop a life of worship. That's some intense stuff - if your heart isn't right, forget it. That's not the same for all volunteers in any ministry, but that's for worship leaders at least. Maybe its just a leader issue, but I doubt it. I think they’ve got the right idea – a worship team member should be held to the highest standard!

Nehemiah 10:28-29

And I once read, “Worship leaders have a responsibility to keep themselves in a position that is set apart for the purpose of leading people into the presence of a Holy God. We should not take this lightly. If we made this area a fundamental priority, I believe we would see God move more powerfully and more often in our churches today.” -Joe Pace

Leading worship is not just another ministry in the church – it is a ministry where the sole purpose is the help others experience God and develop a life of worship. That’s some intense stuff – if your heart isn’t right, forget it. That’s not the same for all volunteers in any ministry, but that’s for worship leaders at least.

]]> By: Penny http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2380 Penny Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:25:54 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2380 Perhaps they have different leaders in different areas, and the worship team leader may want to hold higher standards. Not that one area is any more important than another...but I'd say that leader either wants to feel better about his team, or maybe he has an issue with a member and doesn't feel comfortable singling them out... Perhaps they have different leaders in different areas, and the worship team leader may want to hold higher standards. Not that one area is any more important than another…but I’d say that leader either wants to feel better about his team, or maybe he has an issue with a member and doesn’t feel comfortable singling them out…

]]> By: Adam http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2375 Adam Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:08:17 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2375 Great Comments! WHY are they being so specific for a worship team? Why don't they have this same code of honor for, say, ushers or nursery workers? Great Comments! WHY are they being so specific for a worship team? Why don’t they have this same code of honor for, say, ushers or nursery workers?

]]> By: Penny http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2372 Penny Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:01:12 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2372 I think Abby's right--there are a lot of gray areas, and people's definition of sin. Here's some examples that, if you think about it, fall under their list of no-nos: Churches have bingo & raffles. Is this wrong? Does it make it OK if you're raising money for a good cause? Drinking--the Bible doesn't say that's wrong. It says we're not to get drunk, and it says to obey the laws of the land. Does the Bible say anything about smoking? It says not to destroy the temple of God, which you're slowly doing by smoking, but what other things slowly destroy our bodies? Junk food? How about lies? The ones to keep from hurting one's feelings? Do I look fat in this dress? You're obviously not going to tear down your relationship by telling the truth..so shame on us women for asking it but we're women and we worry about that stuff and so we do. One could go on and on justifying the above no-nos, as black and white turns to gray. I think Abby’s right–there are a lot of gray areas, and people’s definition of sin. Here’s some examples that, if you think about it, fall under their list of no-nos:
Churches have bingo & raffles. Is this wrong? Does it make it OK if you’re raising money for a good cause?

Drinking–the Bible doesn’t say that’s wrong. It says we’re not to get drunk, and it says to obey the laws of the land. Does the Bible say anything about smoking? It says not to destroy the temple of God, which you’re slowly doing by smoking, but what other things slowly destroy our bodies? Junk food?

How about lies? The ones to keep from hurting one’s feelings? Do I look fat in this dress? You’re obviously not going to tear down your relationship by telling the truth..so shame on us women for asking it but we’re women and we worry about that stuff and so we do.

One could go on and on justifying the above no-nos, as black and white turns to gray.

]]> By: nathan http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2371 nathan Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:54:50 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2371 Putting non-biblical requirements (playing poker for not money, drinking a glass of wine) on a person is unethical imho, and this is certainly too specific. But i think there is certainly a purpose for specifics. Unfortunately, I know people who bend Biblical truth to fit into their non-biblical lifestyle, and I think this pledge (without the non-biblical parts) is a great way of communicating biblical standards. The church ought to hold all its people to biblical standards (but certainly not non-biblical standards too!) Putting non-biblical requirements (playing poker for not money, drinking a glass of wine) on a person is unethical imho, and this is certainly too specific.

But i think there is certainly a purpose for specifics. Unfortunately, I know people who bend Biblical truth to fit into their non-biblical lifestyle, and I think this pledge (without the non-biblical parts) is a great way of communicating biblical standards. The church ought to hold all its people to biblical standards (but certainly not non-biblical standards too!)

]]> By: Abby http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/comment-page-1/#comment-2370 Abby Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:31:15 +0000 http://blog.adamdiehl.com/2007/09/30/code-of-honor/#comment-2370 Sheesh...I feel like scum after reading that! I'm glad the Bible at least shows some grace... Yes, they are being way specific, but I guess in today's culture it's totally necessary. There seems to be a lot of gray area in our views of righteousness-black and white have faded immensely. Different people see different acts at different levels of sinfulness, and absolutes have lost their concreteness. (I think that's a word...my spell check didn't say otherwise!) But in my mind, there has to be a way to balance this out. Having a person sign something so specific is setting them up for either complete legalism...or failure. They might just be missing a touch of grace. Sheesh…I feel like scum after reading that! I’m glad the Bible at least shows some grace…

Yes, they are being way specific, but I guess in today’s culture it’s totally necessary. There seems to be a lot of gray area in our views of righteousness-black and white have faded immensely. Different people see different acts at different levels of sinfulness, and absolutes have lost their concreteness. (I think that’s a word…my spell check didn’t say otherwise!)

But in my mind, there has to be a way to balance this out. Having a person sign something so specific is setting them up for either complete legalism…or failure. They might just be missing a touch of grace.

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